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旧帖 2016-06-24 06:11:00
Post #128
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04

Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...

"kurt2: The weekend that NSPN cancelled its CAM session due to high
winds! Recreational kayaking is becoming more popular each year. I know a
lot of folks among my customers who claim to be kayakers but it becomes
obvious when talking to them that basic understanding of safety on the
ocean is lacking. One can only try to spread the word through the type
of educational events NSPN offers but it may not be enough. On the other
hand, these accidents are probably not epidemic enough yet for the
Coast Guard to launch an official campaign. Very sad.
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"kurt2: Summary: 2 men, woman and an 8-year old girl launched at dusk near
the mouth of the Connecticut river. The ripping W/NW wind and tidal
currents pushed them offshore and across LI Sound. After a night on the
water the woman and the girl survived and washed up on an LI beach, but
the men did not survive. (One tried and failed to swim to shore, the
other remained in the cold water to make room for the girl to stay in
one of the boats.) All had PFDs; not clear what else they had in the way
of safety gear or clothing.
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旧帖 2016-06-24 06:17:26
Post #129
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 One tried and failed to swim to shore, the
other remained in the cold water to make room for the girl to stay in
one of the boats 是从河口的潮汐浪+风被冲走的(他们没有什么横渡计划,就是在河口玩玩而已),结果一个游不回来,一个为了女孩也牺牲了自己,他们都是消遣艇(与浆板有很多交集),我想这里有很多安全警示。
 
旧帖 2016-06-25 04:45:57
Post #130
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 A licensed Maine kayaking guide and one of his two clients died Wednesday during an ocean excursion off the coast of a Down East fishing village that turned deadly when the paddlers were caught in a squall.
The kayaking guide had been leading tours for 14 years, and had a waterproof marine radio with him when he capsized, but apparently wasn’t able to use it, his wife said. Cheryl Brackett said her husband, Ed Brackett, 63, was an experienced guide and had rescued several people from the water before.



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But the tour he was leading off Corea Harbor was hit by a powerful squall that spawned 5-foot waves Wednesday afternoon, sending him and his two clients into the 52 degree water, she said. Corea Harbor is located south of Gouldsboro near the mouth of Gouldsboro Bay, and is about 10 miles east of Mount Desert Island.
Each kayaker was paddling a single-seat kayak with a rudder and spray skirt that seals around the paddler and the boat’s cockpit. They were wearing life jackets and dressed in shorts and T-shirts, the Coast Guard said.
“It was just a beautiful day, and then the squall hit, and then it was a beautiful day again,” said Cheryl Brackett, also 63. “I figured they holed up somewhere and were going to paddle back.”
Also killed in the incident was Michael Popper, 54, of Plainfield, New Jersey. His wife, Jennifer Popper, 48, was rescued by a local lobsterman, Bruce Crawley, according to Michael Hunt, a lobsterman and the assistant harbor master in Gouldsboro.
Hunt, who also helped with the search effort, said Popper had a core body temperature of 82 degrees.
“She didn’t have many minutes left,” Hunt, 41, said by phone Thursday night. “Bruce definitely saved her life.”
As of 9 p.m. Thursday, Popper’s condition had been upgraded from critical to good, according to Donna Stanely-Kelley, a nursing supervisor at Eastern Maine Medical Center. Stanley-Kelley then read a written statement on Popper’s behalf.
“I appreciate the good wishes, prayers and thoughts of the community and feel I am in good hands with my team of caregivers. While I have no other information to share at this time, I may have more to share when I am feeling better.”
Ed Brackett held a current guide license and has been registered since 2002, according to the Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife. Cheryl Brackett did not know whether her husband had access to his waterproof radio, which was protected in a dry bag, she said.
The Bracketts, who live in Birch Harbor, have run SeaScape Kayak and Bike out of Winter Harbor for 14 years.
The float plan was to tour the leeward side of the Sally Islands, where the seas are typically calmer, but when the group of three did not return to Corea Harbor by 4:30 p.m. as expected, Cheryl Brackett said she contacted authorities.
The water was roughly 52 degrees when the trio capsized, the Coast Guard and the Maine Marine Patrol said. There is no standard to how long someone can survive in cold water, said Lt. Dave Bourbeau, a Coast Guard spokesman. Everyone reacts differently depending on their body composition and how they’re dressed, he said.
“There is no indication of any wrongdoing on part of the kayak business,” Bourbeau said, adding that an investigation into the incident is ongoing.
The rare death of a Maine guide and a client in his care highlights the precautions that paddlers need to take when heading into the open waters off Maine’s coast.
Common safety themes emerged in interviews with three registered kayaking guides, including two master guides with more than a decade experience each. They include wearing life jackets and appropriate attire (including a wet or dry suit especially in open ocean, or when the water is below 60 degrees), knowing the latest weather forecast and having a VHF radio easily accessible. The guides also emphasized the importance of leaving a float plan with the planned route and an estimated return time.
“I always stress: dress for the water not the air,” said Mary McCauley, a registered guide since 2007 who owns Cross Current Maine Guided Adventures in Bath. “I wear dry suits right now because the water is so cold. If something happens, I want to be able to get back into my boat quickly and help my clients.”
McCauley, 57, said she postponed a tour Wednesday afternoon because the weather forecast called for high winds and a storm.
Zach Anchors, owner and co-founder of Portland Paddle, said kayakers need to be prepared for all kinds of weather, especially in Maine. Inexperienced kayakers, who cannot re-enter their boats after rolling over, should stay close to the shoreline, while experienced kayakers heading into the open ocean should wear a wet or dry suit in addition to a life jacket. At a minimum, paddlers should wear non-cotton clothing, such as polypropylene or wool, and carry a change of clothes in a dry bag.
“On the Maine coast, the conditions are so dynamic,” said Anchors, a 36-year-old master guide with 16 years experience. “The currents and the wind and fog and other factors can change quickly and create conditions that aren’t expected.”
A person must have a license to accept payment for guided sea kayaking tours and Maine has one of the most rigorous testing process to earn that license, according to Travis Journagan, a 39-year-old master guide with 15 years experience. That process includes both a written and oral exam, with an additional requirement to be CPR and First Aid certified, he said.
The state requires different tests and licenses for guides working in tidal waters, rivers/lakes and whitewater, said Journagan, who owns Tidal Transit in Boothbay and offers three-day classes for people preparing for the exam.
Journagan said paddlers should always have their VHF radio within reach and preprogrammed to the emergency channel so the U.S. Coast Guard can be notified of an emergency and easily locate those in distress.
“It’s basically a personal location beacon,” he said. “All you have to say is ‘Mayday, Mayday, Mayday’ and the Coast Guard is coming right at you.”
Journagan said the Corea Harbor incident is the only one that he can recall where a licensed guide had died as a result of an accident during a tour, and possibly the first time someone had died because of an accident while under a guide’s care. That information could not be verified Thursday night.
The bodies of those who died in Corea Harbor have been transported to the state Medical Examiner’s office, which will examine them to determine the cause and manner of death.
Jennifer Popper was pulled from the water about 8 p.m. Wednesday by a local lobsterman, more than three hours after she was scheduled to return to the mainland, the Coast Guard’s Bourbeau said.
The bodies of the two men were found about 8:30 p.m. and 10 p.m., authorities said.
Hunt, the assistant harbor master, said he was about a mile away when Crawley discovered Jennifer Popper. Soon after, Crawley found Popper’s husband, said Hunt, who was called over to pull Michael Popper aboard his boat.
The three were pulled from the water about halfway between Cranberry Point and Petit Manan Island, about 2.25 miles from the islands the group was touring, and about 3 miles from Corea Harbor.
In 2015, 71 people across the United States died in kayak-related boating incidents, with 80 percent from drowning, according to Coast Guard statistics released in May.
 
旧帖 2016-06-25 04:59:40
Post #131
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 在缅因出事的细节来了:

出事的是专业15年的海洋向导,带2顾客,港口的水温可能14, 出事公开水域的水温12度。

没有穿任何干衣和湿衣,他们行程只是离岸最远1000米,离最近的陆地才500米。

事发当天突然刮大风, 求救信号没有发出,是向导老婆发现预定时间没有回来报的警,向导带有防水呼救电台。


500米,失温,对失温过于自大傲慢,500米也可以把俩条命葬送。

只有女顾客生还。

无论中国还是美国,皮划艇爱好者最容易出的错,就是对失温的保护,失温保护的概念是皮划艇爱好者安全第一原则。
 
旧帖 2016-06-25 05:12:08
Post #132
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 也许结论无需保护,但是每次活动花几秒钟问自己,这次活动有失温的危险吗?这个适用于任何水域,只是静水 95%情形是无需保护,但是问自己该是一种习惯

而且我不太相信任何执照,安全除了技能,和人的个性息息相关,有执照照样害死人。向导是拥有多年的专业向导执照
 
旧帖 2016-06-25 05:22:17
Post #133
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 也许结论无需保护,但是每次活动花几秒钟问自己,这次活动有失温的危险吗?这个适用于任何水域,只是静水 95%情形是无需保护,但是问自己该是一种习惯。 如果不形成习惯,那5%情形出现,以及100% 中国大陆海岸线冬天威胁出现,人习惯于不用保护,敌人悄然闯入,这种事故发生突然远远超过比较冷的地区,这该是事故心理学一部分。
 
旧帖 2016-06-25 05:41:20
Post #134
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 三年前我们在缅因类似的水温和时间(内海被老队友瞧不起非这次外海)发生比较严重一次事故,新人不会爬船,倒水都没有用,风大浪急,离岸边800米,无法游,只好靠附近机动船来救,当时我借给落水同学一件湿衣(每个新人我们免费提供),在不成熟一次错误中救回来一条命。这就是不同事故结果的巨大区别。

海洋救援失温保护就是赢得时间和生命!"
 
旧帖 2016-06-28 05:12:32
Post #135
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 The party left for their kayaking trip about noon. The Coast Guard and Maine State Police were notified at 7 p.m. that they were overdue, he said.

The waves, reportedly 3 to 5 feet high, caused all three kayaks to capsize in the approximately 52-degree wate

Jennifer was found unconscious and clinging to her kayak,


Marine Patrol officials said Jennifer Popper was discovered after 8 p.m. by a local lobster fisherman.
 
旧帖 2016-06-28 05:18:10
Post #136
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 缅因事故后续,更多细节。

又是下午的事故,突然来了 1.5米的涌浪(海洋变数突然性比河流大), 三个全翻, 女士,因为狠命抓住船, 被渔船救,但是身体已经没知觉。

这里六的概念很清晰地。

当天属于正常下午风(由渔船推断,没有很特别的大风), 渔船和其他船是救援的有生力量, 空无一人的外海本身就可能是不祥之兆
 
旧帖 2016-06-28 05:51:10
Post #137
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 蒙大拿,7钟头前再死一位,由于那里水温低,估计失温和救生衣是主要原因。

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/740d5c9e23c74f4fa41742b0a813125d/MT--Kayak-Fatal
 
旧帖 2016-07-13 03:04:08
Post #138
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 其实这个事故很典型,很多人不过侥幸逃过一劫,他们运气不好,事故需要反思。




GOULDSBORO — Lobster fisherman Bruce Crowley was returning home from Ellsworth about 6 p.m. June 22 when he noticed the pickup truck used by a local tour company to haul its kayaks was still parked at the seawall in Corea.
Cheryl Brackett, who, with her husband, Ed, 63, owns SeaScape Kayak & Bike in Winter Harbor, was pacing the beach.
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“She said, ‘My husband and two other people are out and they were supposed to be back at 4 p.m.,’” Crowley recalled.
Crowley drove over to the nearby Corea Lobster Co-op to his lobster boat, Cindy Lee, and with fisherman Lenny Young onboard headed out to search for the trio while there was still daylight.
They brought a skiff with them, thinking they might need it if they found any of the kayakers.

Bruce Crowley’s lobster boat, Cindy Lee.
PHOTO BY JACQUELINE WEAVER
Once out in the bay they encountered fisherman Mike Hunt, who was out in his boat looking for the kayakers in Gouldsboro Bay.
The fishermen are intimately acquainted with the islands near the mouth of the bay — Sally Island, Bald Rock, Eastern Island, Sheep Island — and also know how treacherous the area can be.
“It is dangerous when the conditions are right,” said Crowley. “You take a 7 or 8 knot tide and it’s going against a 20-to-30 knot wind, it just makes the chop unbelievable, even for a lobster boat.”
Crowley is 61 and has been fishing in these waters since he was 10. He suggested to Hunt that they begin looking offshore with Hunt heading southwest and Crowley and Young southeast.
“If they got caught in the current between Bald Rock and Eastern Island, that’s the strongest current that comes out of Gouldsboro Bay,” Crowley said.
As Crowley and Young headed southeast, Crowley noticed something yellow about a mile away.
As they drew closer they could see a yellow kayak, capsized, and a woman clinging to it. They called the Coast Guard, which had a vessel three miles away.
“She had a rope wrapped around her wrist two or three times,” Crowley said. “Her eyes were open but she couldn’t talk or blink.”
The woman, Jennifer Popper, 48, of Plainfield, N.J., was limp and thus heavy. They tried unsuccessfully to pull her up over the four-foot side of the boat.
They then spun the boat around and tried to pull her up by the straps on her lifejacket.
The jacket began to slip off and so they stopped, worried that without the jacket she would slip below the surface of the water.
Young launched the skiff and came up alongside the woman.
He began pulling her on board slowly, easing back repeatedly as the skiff took on water.
“I grabbed her by the shoulder straps of her jacket,” said Young. “The poor girl got scraped across that stern.”
In the meantime, the Coast Guard vessel arrived, pulled up alongside the skiff and brought Jennifer Popper aboard.
Once on shore she was taken by LifeFlight to Eastern Maine Medical Center in Bangor, where she eventually regained consciousness.
Crowley and Young continued on for 300 to 400 yards and found Ed Brackett, the guide who had taken Popper and her husband, Michael Popper, 54, out on the kayak tour.
Brackett was unresponsive.
“His face and mouth were out of the water,” Crowley said.
Mike Hunt had come up alongside them and was able to pull Brackett’s body across his open stern.
By then there were as many as 10 fishing boats circling the area, along with a Coast Guard helicopter and the Marine Patrol.
Jonathan Coffin, who fishes out of Dyer Bay in Steuben, found Michael Popper. Like Brackett, he was unresponsive.
The Chief Medical Examiner’s office in Maine conducted autopsies on Popper and Brackett.
“Both deaths were caused by accidental drowning,” said Mark Belserene, administrator for the Chief Medical Examiner.
Jennifer Popper was discharged from Eastern Maine Medical Center June 24 and returned to Plainfield, N.J. the following day.
Local radio personality Chris Popper, who is Michael Popper’s cousin, was in Jennifer’s hospital room when she was interviewed by the Marine Patrol.
Chris said the couple had been out kayaking with Brackett on several occasions in prior trips to the area.
“She said they went from calm seas to rain and 30 mph winds and five foot seas,” Chris said. “She was able to right her kayak and get back in, but was not able to get the skirt back in and could not bail the water. She capsized again.”
She told the Marine Patrol that Michael Popper swam toward the kayak that contained cell phones in a plastic bag.
“That was the last she saw of him,” Chris said. “She said Ed hung on for a while. He was holding onto his kayak. Unfortunately, she saw him pass away.”
Chris said Jennifer might have survived more than five hours in the frigid water because she managed to get a large portion of her upper body out of the water.
A wake was planned for her husband in New Jersey June 28 followed by a funeral the following day.
“She is terribly bruised,” Chris said of Jennifer. “She is incredibly lucky and physically, she will make a full recovery. But it was devastating for her to watch Ed pass away as well as coping with the loss of her husband.”
Chris said the Marine Patrol and Coast Guard went beyond the call of duty in assisting Jennifer.
They went to the cottage in Winter Harbor that she and her husband had rented.
“They packed up all of her things and took them to the hospital,” Chris said.
Ed Brackett was well known on the Schoodic Peninsula and in the general area, both as a kayak guide and as code enforcement officer in Gouldsboro, Sorrento and Sullivan.
His memorial service will be held at 4:30 p.m. Saturday, July 2, at Hammond Hall in Winter Harbor.
The service will be followed by a reception at the Masonic Hall in Winter Harbor.
His wife, Cheryl Brackett, issued the following statement from the family:
“Words cannot describe the shock and grief our family is experiencing over the loss of our beloved Ed. Ed was an incredible husband, father, grandfather, brother, son, and friend to so many in our local community and beyond. Our thoughts and prayers are with the friends and family of Jennifer and Michael Popper during this difficult time. Though we are devastated over the tragic loss of Ed and Michael, we are so grateful that Jennifer’s condition continues to improve.”
“We would like to take this time to thank the local fishermen and members of the Coast Guard and Marine Patrol for their efforts in the search for Ed, Michael and Jennifer. We would also like to express deep gratitude towards our friends, family and members of the local community for their support and kindness during this difficult time.”
The dangers of hypothermia
According to the National Weather Service, hypothermia occurs when the body’s temperature dips below 95 degrees Fahrenheit. Normal body temperature is 98.6 degrees. Warning signs include uncontrollable shivering, memory loss, disorientation, incoherence, slurred speech, drowsiness and obvious exhaustion.
Factors such as body fat, age, alcohol consumption and wetness can affect how long hypothermia takes to strike. The situation becomes much more dangerous when someone falls into the water.
In water 32.5 degrees Fahrenheit or colder, one might not survive more than 15 to 45 minutes. The U.S. Coast Guard states that a person in that situation would undergo shock within the first two minutes and some experience functional disability before 30 minutes.
The Personal Flotation Device Manufacturers Association states that in water 50 to 60 degrees, exhaustion or unconsciousness will occur in one to two hours with an expected survival time of one to six hours.
 
旧帖 2016-07-19 17:01:29
Post #139
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
线路BB机 离线 线路BB机 学习ing

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玩户外线路,玩极致的自虐线路,不只是老驴们的专属,90后,00后也可以负重35公斤,随意来个120km鳌太穿越,狼塔C线;也可以蹬个破烂28就来一个川藏线,怀揣250RMB就走遍华夏画个鸡;谁说只有余秋雨才可以来一场文化苦旅,吊儿郎当的你也可以化缘去取经。世界不大,是你的心太小,跟着10000+线路粗发吧!!!

 
旧帖 2016-11-22 02:30:12
Post #140
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 我们滑雪俱乐部洋人尽管不太划艇,大都知道湿衣和干衣概念,正是这全民性的教育挡住了很多事故发生,在华人为主的户外圈,这种教育匮乏,我们这么多年就感觉强大压力(改变一个民族的概念是多么艰难)"
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一个经典的事故报告,新人,单人,13-14度水温(短袖短裤),天气变化(风从2级到四级),离岸风(不不知不觉推倒失控的死亡陷阱, 奖板类似的事发生在我们身上),窜在一块就是可能的死亡。 但是作为一个海洋大省和失温最危险的美国头三号省,7年内,因皮划艇死亡的共有12人,其中4人发生在海洋里(其他静水和白水), 不算多,大概一般民众还是比较小心,尽管危险在那,过分的人并不多, 只要坚守安全原则,海洋出个事也没那么简单。
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For the vast majority of people, kayaking is a relatively low risk sport that enhances health and provides a lot of joy. A study of paddlesport deaths in Maine
shows that there were 12 kayaking deaths in the years 2000 – 2007, four
of which occurred in ocean waters. However, even one death is too
many. Following are some guidelines for reducing the incidence of this
type of accident in the future."
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‘Perfect Storm’ of Conditions Leads to Kayaker Death
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‘Perfect Storm’ of Conditions Leads to Kayaker Death
 
旧帖 2016-11-22 02:44:28
Post #141
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 <br>'The purpose of this blog post is not to judge the decisions made by this<br> kayaker or to determine exactly what happened but rather to learn from <br>the incident so that other kayakers can avoid this type of accident in <br>the future.'  这正是我们列出各种事故不管英雄不是英雄,出了事的好汉在天堂都希望从教训里避免发生在我们身上,那种非不出事就任性不遵守安全规则是极其危险的,海洋99%安全靠避免。<br>
 
旧帖 2016-11-22 03:13:23
Post #142
Re: 本周美国东北海洋舟再杀四人一个月杀六人以上 ...
 
kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 超过50%的海洋皮划艇死亡事故是没有事故报告,这是绝好的例子,作者只能靠经验去拆发生了什么。失温不是简单的首冻,而是救援能力大大下降, 强烈的恶性循环,最后又攻陷心里的防线,这种作用被无数中国户外爱好者轻视,中小河你轻视还有不少机会自救,在大海就是致命的。 海洋救援打的是持久战,人的体温是救援的能量和信心来源。对海洋救援理解和准备才是标准一个人是不是合格的海洋皮划艇爱好者。

对失温的认识是多年的学习过程,我这么一个人有时也会犯错,谁敢说自己就是100%过关了。海洋安全就是让人安全一丝不苟。据说前些,北方某俱乐部翻船同学都没有穿湿衣,而没翻同学都穿了。好讽刺好挖苦,我们历史也是如此。 忽略湿衣安全的往往其他安全也会大意,对于皮划艇,救生衣就是代表安全基本的态度,对于海洋公开海域(20度水温以上近岸除外),湿衣代表也是一种海洋安全基本态度。



Likely sometime between 9:00 and 11:00 a.m., Eric Hogan’s kayak was capsized and he was not able to get back aboard. Perhaps it had already capsized several times. One feature of sit-on-top kayaks is that unlike standard (“sit-in”) kayaks, they do not take and water and cannot swamp. Following a sit-on-top capsize, a paddler need only flip the kayak upright, clamber back aboard, and resume paddling.
The combination of the wind and wind-blow spray as well as the waves sloshing up onto his kayak undoubtedly started to lower Eric’s body temperature. If he had already capsized one or more times, this would have lowered his body temperature further. When the body gets cold, hands and feet start to lose dexterity. Next, arms and legs begin to lose strength. The mind also slows down. Coordination is lost. Judgement becomes clouded.
 
旧帖 2016-11-22 03:33:38
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 if he launched from the east side of Hancock Point, he would have been in the lee of the wind and might not have felt it until he had paddled away from the shore.

离岸风在心里上也是海洋皮划艇潜在新人巨型杀手,它开始给人一种假象一种麻痹,觉得大海状况蛮不错,但是一旦远离大陆,那风就不是人想象的小,而且雪上加霜,人可能无法划回。 这种巨大反差有的像白水里倒下的树,看上去还好没啥呀,一旦辨别不了,大事故的机制就开始成熟。在白水里,尽最大代价避开倒下的树,
在海洋里,超过3级的离岸风都可能演变为杀手。大师们都选择离岸近的路线,第一个理由就是避开离岸风的可能性,第二个就是出事后好逃上岸。可是我见过无数同学就是喜欢大直线,这是种不成熟。

不管是白水还是海洋,救援和安全绝对为先,给自己和团队多留点退路和余地,就能应变一些想不到的事故发生。
 
旧帖 2016-11-22 06:45:20
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 另一件事故:

"kurt2: 这是去年死俩人另一起事故。虽然失温是直接原因,但是这个可以避免有很多救援机会的事件,被连领队活活坑死了,具体Wind Speed>  10 mph (West)         Max Wind Speed        22 mph         Max Gust Speed   36 mph 

不清楚他们在那边划,当时是西风。很可能在半岛东侧,如果贴岸边近也许马上可以跳上岸,但这种强烈的半斜离岸风特别不能离岸几十米,否则很快把你往深海推。 如果是新人(应该大部分是),4-6级风,效率是非常低的,更不用说安全隐患。回头是岸,岸那么近,其实所有希望就在岸上,从体力大风下滑回去不明智,从安全上离岸风和8度水温都是重型杀手,是根本容不得一点失误(新人失误太正常)。无论是半岛还是独立的岛,上岸待命求援是唯一的选择(其实还能走回去)。 领队没有从从后果考虑事故可能发生,领队没有分析他们拥有什么有利和不利条件, 在大决定上做出了与新人不合时宜的继续前进的命令。一旦落水离岸就几十米距离,失温很快跟进,剩下就是收拾残局了。 救援思想和准备在海洋里是海洋领队最重要的策划和执行里,显示高低的主要指标。落水再救已经来不及了,表明大决定是多么关键。


<br>"<br>—————————<br>"kurt2: The Clallam County Sheriff’s Office <br>reports seven kayakers with the Mountain View Church of the Nazarene’s <br>hiking club out of Tumwater saw conditions turn quickly on their way back to the Cline Spit boat launch from the New Dungeness Lighthouse.<br>Witnesses<br> say the day began with calm waters but that afternoon hail poured for <br>brief spurts in Sequim while on the water the Clallam County Sheriff’s <br>Office reported 35 mph winds and 3-foot high swells. These led to three <br>boaters’ 17-foot sea kayaks to overturn. <br>A<br> lighthouse volunteer spotted the kayakers and called for help around <br>2:42 p.m. The Coast Guard deployed a boat and helicopter and called in a<br> support helicopter from the Naval Air Station Whidbey Island.<br>"<br>—————————<br>
 
旧帖 2016-11-22 06:46:14
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 查到一些细节,就是回程还有没有十分钟队伍就散了,我们团队的华人新人过去总有人不时干这事,现在知道厉害了吧,除非通过海峡的队伍被打乱,队伍乱就是出事的前兆和失控的开始,海洋失控就意味无法把救援有效传递给全队,更不用说传递命令,白水和海洋我领队都骂过队友有意无意打乱队形,几十回,这个事故该证明我对失控是多么敏感和不祥之兆正确。一句话,队伍乱了乱的是安全和救援,没了救援和安全,大海死个人太简单容易。 救援各种角度全方面才是海洋安全的核心。"

"Within 10 minutes I couldn't see anybody or another kayaker anywhere," said Dennis Caines.
The
video shows their kayak pitching and rolling in the waves. Linda
Caines' panicked voice can be heard urging them to get back to shore.
 
旧帖 2016-11-22 06:47:11
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 12月八号是北脸老板我们尊敬的师长,Douglas Tompkins出事一周年纪念,痛心的是他教训没有被绝大部分人捕捉到,一年内,台湾也是大陆挺友的JED出事,这回更大损失更无法估量,希望大家在安全上更谦卑点在安全上我们要学的东西很多,路还很长,路得一步一步走。"



我们海洋领队是中国户外里最艰辛的领队一种,大量新人轻视失温轻视队形,轻视大海各种奇怪特征,和人斗和自以为是的人斗才是我过去十年最让人费心和失望的地方。过去一年俩位名人出事,一位台湾朋友出事,说白了就是没有人和他们轻敌思想斗,结果就是看运气
 
旧帖 2016-11-22 07:23:28
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 查了查台湾推广协会的JED事件的总结:<br><br>剛剛把今天有討論到的擋案都上傳到FB社團,有興趣的舟友可以去下載來看,今天從各種討論中收穫很多,將來大家跟海巡之間的關係,各種安全器材的選擇與使用,都有非常深入的討論,同時對未來的做法,有很清楚改進的方向,真的很感謝關心與參與這個討論的划船朋友們,場地簡陋,招待不周,還請見諒。<br><br> <br>由於這個重大事件,對大家的在心態上與做法上,帶來的巨大影響與轉變,協會已經決定將2/11日,定為Jed紀念日,每年的這天,都會邀請所有的舟友,一起來參與關於划船安全的論壇,甚或是下水演練新開發的救援方式,不只是協會,每個團體都歡迎來在這個安全論壇中發表與交流。<br> 或許我們無力改變這次事件的結果,但我們可以讓這次事件更有意義。<br>

JED是17-18度水温出事的(95% 他没有失温的准备),在台湾网站里协会脸书几百个帖子里,我们看不到一个失温的字(要有的话还是我留下的),和如果面对台湾冬天春天可能失温的重大隐患,这些总结就集中在器材和官方救援上,只字没有谈人为的错误,当然保护个人形象重要,可是大多数老手都知道安全还不是器材和官方救援第一位,自己的错误才是第一位,可以不直接指出错误,但总结没啥分量,出了大事,靠官方搜寻有可能太晚太晚,机动救援更不能保证100%的有效(这次被100%证明),只听说SOLO是JED事故唯一私下总结, 但事故原因远远比SOLO复杂。这么重要学习机会没有转变为安全宝贵经验,可惜了。事故与人的心理和安全态度, 安全全方位的理解和准备往往很紧密。
kurtyang04 于 2016-11-22 07:38:34 编辑
 
旧帖 2016-11-22 07:41:09
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 我看到三件事的共性就是他们的安全基于不翻船不落水,一厢情愿认为户外世界的美好,一旦落水事故发生,他们的安全救援计划无法挡住事故急剧的恶性发展,而我们都是凡人,这个世界没有神人,为最坏的情形准备,时刻准备救援是挑战海洋和白水户外安全头号原则。
 
旧帖 2016-11-23 02:08:17
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/74047102/I-ve-cheated-death-kayaker-miraculously-rescued-at-the-head-of-Wellington-Harbour

Watched by friends, he had paddled out at about 1pm on Saturday from Tarakena Bay at Moa Point before a series of mistakes in cool, windy conditions nearly put a tragic end to his first kayak trip.
"I got over-confident and went further than I should have... even on a nice day, I was pushing my luck," the Carterton plant nursery worker said.
"It was just utter stupidity."
The launch-point was sheltered but as soon as he got around Moa Point, large breaking waves flipped the boat. 
Unable to get back aboard because of the pummelling waves, he signalled for help with his paddle but he was too far away for his friends to see.
Pulled toward the open ocean by the kayak, he decided to let go and swim for the Moa Point rocks nearby.
But water-logged shirts underneath his life-jacket dragged him down, so he took off the life-jacket to remove them, but then realised he was unable to put the life jacket back on because of the waves.
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Desperately looking for instructions, he spotted its label: "Do not remove life jacket under any circumstances."
"I was just like, I'm gone."
He battled the current for half an hour, clinging to the jacket and trying to side-paddle back to the beach, before deciding to make for Pencarrow Head lighthouse, visible on the opposite side of the harbour.
He swam for two hours and got close enough to hear the surf before running out of strength as the cold water took its toll.
By then his friends, including the owner of the $3000 kayak, had notified emergency services.
About 5pm, Lanceley saw the Westpac rescue helicopter in the distance, but felt he had not been seen and was ready to give up when the winch-line appeared. 
Maritime police constable Rob Grant said police were notified at about 2.30pm of a missing kayaker.
Lanceley was "very, very lucky" to be found, he said.
By the time he was discovered, the search operation had grown to include maritime police, the rescue helicopter, Wellington coastguard and Wellington Airport emergency services.
Helicopter crewman Logan Taylor said the four-member crew was searching for about 20 minutes before they spotted Lanceley.
A trained Wellington Free Ambulance paramedic in a wetsuit was lowered to the water and harnessed Lanceley, before they were both winched to safety.
The helicopter flew him back to base and he was taken to Wellington Hospital, but was discharged a few hours later.
Lanceley was grateful to all those who helped save his life, and hoped his mistakes would be a lesson for others.
"I feel irresponsible... I've got a lot more respect for the ocean."
Maritime police had recovered the kayak and returned it to his friend.
He was a bit sore and bruised, but hoped to be back at work on Monday.
"I feel like I've cheated death but... it was horrible. It's not something I'm proud of."
 
旧帖 2016-11-23 02:17:26
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 这个是被新西兰救上来的幸运儿,有录像,浪不大,应该是潮汐流把人往外洋推,从一个又一个中外海洋事故可以发现很多神似的词语:过度自信,无知(不知不觉),失温。 当年8264那位版主还自豪自己是英雄,呵呵,人家也游了2钟头,“"I feel like I've cheated death but... it was horrible. It's not something I'm proud of."
 
旧帖 2016-11-23 02:44:10
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 又是一位过分自信的大侠,失温但活下来经典案例(好像也就几百米)

Floating Alone in the Chesapeake in January

This occurred on the Chesapeake Bay near Annapolis, Maryland on January 28, 2012. But by the grace of God — and four wonderful people aboard a boat named Audacious — I would not be alive today to share my story. While wiser, I am also humbled and embarrassed by the experience. I share my story to (1) hold myself up as a cautionary tale, especially for experienced sea kayakers who might be complacent (as I was), and (2) to recognize the people who saved my life.

I'm a 48-year-old man who's been paddling for more than 15 years. I've also been a sailor since I was a kid, having grown up with a father who was a career Coast Guard officer. I'm comfortable on and in the water. I paddle almost every week, year-round, and often solo. I've taken numerous paddling classes and have paddled in all kinds of conditions in lots of places. I've done multi-day kayaking trips, ocean paddling, flat water and moderate whitewater. I have (what I thought was) a pretty decent roll and I know a few different self-rescue techniques (though I hadn't practiced in several years).

My kayak is a Necky Looksha IV HV and is constructed of kevlar and fiberglass. It's a great boat. I've had it for 12 years.

On January 29th I decided to take advantage of the sunny day and the warm-for-winter temps and drive from where I live in Washington, DC, to near Annapolis and paddle out to Thomas Point Light. This is a short paddle — about four miles round trip from my put-in. I've done it 4 or 5 times, and I've sailed in the area countless times.



I launched around noon. The weather forecast was for mostly sunny skies, highs in the low 50's, and winds out of the south at 10-15 knots (though building throughout the afternoon). A small craft advisory had been issued for 6pm and into the night. I expected that, even with some goofing off and photo taking, I still wouldn't be on the water longer than two-and-a-half hours (i.e., back by 2:30pm).

I was wearing a dry top, neoprene gloves, and I used a skirt (of course). I had no hood, dry or wet pants, or boots (I know, I know — I will get back to this). I did have a PFD on.

It was a lovely day, but breezy as expected. I would be paddling southeast so the winds were off my starboard bow. I had a nice paddle to the lighthouse and dealt with a bit of chop just fine. I took some photos (see below or here on Flickr: http://bit.ly/zAHCt9). The winds were definitely building and the growing waves began to make me uncomfortable with having my nice Nikon camera out. I didn't want to get it wet so, with it hanging around my neck and waves splashing the boat, I paddled to the lee side of the lighthouse and then under it to hold onto a dock piling while putting the lens cover on, getting it back in its dry bag and strapping it to the deck. I drank some water, took a phone call(!) and then took off for the paddle back. Everything was fine.

By this point the winds had built to probably 15-20 knots, gusting higher. The tide was going out (against me) and the winds were off my port stern quarter. With the wind and tide going different directions — combined with being right over a shoal — the waves were a bit bigger than usual, but still nothing I found alarming. I've handled worse and was actually enjoying surfing down waves while also noticing the faces were steeper than I was used to. Right around the shoal near the lighthouse the sea was in a bit of a confused state. The wave direction wasn't totally consistent. While on the crest of a wave focusing on balance I reached back on the port side to brace with the paddle when suddenly water wasn't where I expected it to be. The paddle was still in the air where I expected resistance and I capsized to port.

I immediately attempted to roll back up as waves were tossing around the boat and me. I was not successful and then attempted two more rolls. I really wasn't even getting close. I decided to exit the boat to attempt self-rescue using the Ladder technique (YouTube: http://bit.ly/wMW43O). I got to the rear of the kayak and began crawling to the cockpit and got knocked over by another wave. I was realizing I was in serious trouble because the cold water was quickly sapping my strength. I tried another self-rescue and was once again knocked over.

I didn't see any boats on the bay. I knew I was in a really bad situation.

I wasn't far from the lighthouse — a couple hundred yards at most. I thought my best chance was to swim for it and to try to climb up on its dock. I began swimming and immediately realized I couldn't swim the kayak upwind in those conditions. I wasn't making any headway at all. So I made a quick decision to let the boat go, even while knowing "stay with the boat" is almost a mantra for problems at sea. I didn't think that was an option, though, because of the cold water and being nearly two miles from shore.

So I let the boat go and the wind quickly took it. I'll never forget that moment when the thought hit me "I'm floating alone in the Chesapeake...in January."

I began swimming on my back toward the lighthouse. I was making minimal headway against the winds and waves. The cold water was causing great pain at this point, and my ability to swim was rapidly leaving me. During those few minutes I knew I was facing death. I was angry at myself for doing this to my father. Just a few months earlier we had lost my mother to cancer — his beloved wife of 51 years. I remember thinking that at least they will know where to look for my body because I had emailed a float plan to him and my sister that morning.

I was swimming as hard as I could with whatever strength I had left and decided to roll over off my back for a second to check to see that I was at least still pointing at the lighthouse. I saw a boat up ahead! It was a classic white Chesapeake Bay fishing boat. I learned later she is the Audacious, seen here at Thomas Point Light (not my photo):



I began yelling. They couldn't hear me and it appeared, at first, that it would just cruise by me when I realized they were actually slowing down to pull up to the lighthouse. I kept yelling but was growing worried that I wouldn't be able to even yell much longer. I was exhausted. Then the boat pulled up to the dock (positioned exactly as in that photo) and someone jumped off the boat with a line to secure it. He was now facing me and I yelled again with every ounce of energy I had. He heard me! He looked up, waved and immediately jumped back in the boat and they headed my way.

I wasn't going to die.

There were two men and two women on board. They had to literally pull me out because I couldn't help them at all. I weigh 200 pounds, was almost dead weight from exhaustion, was obviously soaking wet, and the boat was rocking around because of the conditions. It was really hard for the two guys to pull me up by my PFD, but they were champions and managed to get me on board with some serious effort.

They got me inside the small cabin and began drying me off and warming me up. While I was in there they retrieved my kayak and paddle, which must have been a half-mile downwind at that point. My camera in a dry bag was still secured to the deck, which is why I have the photos.

I estimate that I was in the water for about 15 minutes, which is right about the limit before total exhaustion in 40-degree water (which is what that part of the bay was on that day). I could have expected to lose consciousness after 30 minutes and would have been dead within 60, at best (and these figures are without physical exertion).

I'm not being overly dramatic when I say they saved my life. I have no doubt that this is true.

MISTAKES I MADE:


1. I should not have been paddling solo in the winter on open water like the Chesapeake.2. I should have been wearing pants, shoes, and a hat made for cold-water immersion. I couldn't find my wetsuit pants that morning and went anyway.3. I should have had a submersible VHF strapped to my PFD, as well as flares and/or a smoke signal device.

Solo winter paddling in open water and not wearing pants/shoes/hat for cold-water immersion were total rookie mistakes. "Dress for the water, not for the air." I know this and ignored it. I nearly paid for my mistake with my life.

Other lessons: I must work on my rolls and self-rescue techniques every year, and practice in conditions closer to what could be expected in a real life emergency.

I was clearly complacent and over confident in my skills. If there are other paddlers out there, no matter how experienced, who might be taking on needless risk like on did I hope this story will change their behavior.

I want to publicly thank my rescuers Henry and Chris Gonzalez, and Captain Howard and Cathy Lewis. Henry is the lighthouse keeper for the Thomas Point Lighthouse (www.thomaspointlighthouse.org) and vice-president of the U.S. Lighthouse Society (www.uslhs.org). Howard is the owner and skipper of Audacious, and I understand he lends his time helping out with the lighthouse.

They were on the water that day — the ONLY boat in the area at that time — to do their annual winter check on the lighthouse. In all the years I've paddled and sailed near Thomas Point Light I have never seen a boat pull up to it. The long odds of them being there at that exact time and within earshot defy description.

I am very, very fortunate to be alive.

The term "divine intervention" comes to mind.

I welcome your comments, suggestions and well-deserved criticism.

Kevin

P.S. - Was edited on 2/18 to change the date of the incident. I originally wrote Jan. 29th but it was actually Sat., Jan. 28th.
 
旧帖 2016-11-23 02:45:07
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kurtyang04 离线 kurtyang04 Solo winter paddling in open water and not wearing pants/shoes/hat for cold-water immersion were total rookie mistakes. "Dress for the water, not for the air." I know this and ignored it. I nearly paid for my mistake with my life.I was clearly complacent and over confident in my skills. If there are other paddlers out there, no matter how experienced, who might be taking on needless risk like on did I hope this story will change their behavior. 


 台湾事故报告只字不提失温, 迟早失温死亡还在台湾皮划艇届发生,藐视失温危险是种不敬业。这个事故发生地的水温在10-12度之间。
 
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